tv Face the Nation CBS August 9, 2015 10:30am-11:31am EDT
>> dickerson: today on "face the nation" the summer continues. as donald trump gone too far this time. after sparring with megyn kelly donald trump continued his attack in an interview friday. >> she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, you can see there was blood coming out of her eyes. she was in my opinion she was off base. >> dickerson: say those comments are out of line will alienate women voters. we'll talk to donald trump and with other republican candidates, carly fiorina and ben carson and bernie sanders stopped by to give us his thoughts on the debate and more. we'll talk about what's changed since the death of michael brown in ferguson a year ago.
ahead of the naacp cornell william brooks, all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. donald trump joins us by phone from new york. mr. trump i'd like to ask you about fox news host megyn kelly you said she was a light weight, she bombed. but have you gone too far in your suggestion that she was hormonal in her questions? >> john, obviously i never said that. i she was very angry when i interrupted her first question which was a very, i felt, unfair question. and i blurted out the name rosie o'donnell and the place went crazy. we had 5,000 people the there they went totally crazy. it really had a big impact on her questioning. i think it angered her i said, blood was essentially pouring from her eyes, blood was pouring -- then wanted to get on with the -- i was going to say
nose or ears, and i just said, let's just -- i said whatever. there was nothing obvious. only deviant would have thought otherwise. this guy, eric whatever his name is a loser, he -- but he has had tremendous -- he brought it up and i didn't want to do this thing in the first place i said let's not do this it's not worth it. so, he tried to view it as something other than -- i'm telling you anybody that would view it that way has to be a little bit of a deviant. so, essentially that's how this whole thing got started it's ridiculous. what i was referring to was nose or ears and i just said, let's just get on with it. i wanted to -- what difference was it make. >> what was off base about -- started off, first of all, brett baier gets up asks me a
question about third party which was obviously directed at me we hadn't been on the stage for ten sect. that was it. she starts off with a question that i thought was totally inappropriate. bringing up all sorts of things. even the other candidates, a number of the other candidates came up to me said you were really said unfairly. i'm fine with it. i think it's good. most poll, every poll said i won the debate which is type i'm sure you've heard that, too. i think i did win the debate. some of the candidates told me i won the debate. by far toughest question, not even a contest. wasn't for me, 24 million people there, if it wasn't for me you would have had two million people. >> dickerson: on that first -- i hope you agree with. that did you agree -- >> dickerson: you wouldn't have had 24 million. suggested that a lot of republicans agree with that idea. let me ask you specifically about that. when there was that first
question about you running as independent you said, we have a lot of leverage. do you leverage over? >> i do have leverage. i'm a businessman. i'm a natural businessman i've made over $10 billion in net worth. i have some of the great assets of the world. and i do like leverage i'm not talking so much in terms, i am right now leading by a lot, not just a little bit. i'm leading by a lot. i'm going to get some people who i have great respect for. many of the cases, i have great respect for them. i think i'm going to win. i think i have much better energy than they do and much better ability to negotiate with the rest of the world and deal with the rest of the world than they do. i just think that having -- i'm leading as a republican i want to keep it that way. much rather run as a republican, running as a republican is the best way to beat hillary who was a terrible secretary of state.
>> dickerson: let me -- has a terrible track record. i don't know if she's going to be able to -- what she's done with the e-mails is so ridiculous it's probably criminal. >> dickerson: let me ask you, when i hear leverage it sounds like you're saying i got 24 million people to watch i have leverage over the republican party so they better be filings to me. >> essentially i want to be treated fairly, i do. not nice. i want to be treated with respect. i'm leading the polls by a lot. georgia just came in i'm in the 30s. you probably saw some of the others, if you look at nevada i won very handily with the hispanics. i won the state in terms of the polls. i'm winning iowa which is amazing we have a great team in iowa and i'm winning iowa by a lot. i'm winning new hampshire by a lot. we have a great team up there with gloria and everybody else. and south carolina just came in we are doing phenomenally in the
polls there. >> dickerson: let me ask you -- we're doing really well. dickerson: you mentioned hispanics up had a conversation about them earlier. let me ask you about women voters why should they vote for you? >> because i very much into the whole thing of helping people and helping women, women's health issues are such a big thing to me and so important. i have many women that work for me, i was one of the first persons -- people in the construction industry in new york to put women in charge of projects. even today, i have many women in high positions. i've gotten a lot of credit for that. i have so many women working for me and so many women in high positions working for me, i've gotten great credit for it. >> dickerson: is there specific women's issue you're thinking of? >> i just said to jeb bush, 53% of his vote this is worst than what romney did when he had 37% with his ridiculous statements.
i watched jeb bush last week talking about women's health issues like they don't exist. i couldn't believe what he said. i'm exactly the opposite. i will be phenomenal to the women. i want to help women. what jeb bush said last week i felt was totally -- then he came back a day later said, i misspoke. well, that's awfully bad thing to misspeak about. i thought what he did was terrible. i heard that, i thought it was terrible. >> dickerson: he has a bigger problem with women voters than you do? >> i think he has a huge problem. i am going to be very much up on the whole issue of women's health. it's very important. to me it's vital. when i heard him say that i thought it was terrible. i couldn't believe he even said it. now, he corrected himself a day later but i don't think that's acceptable. i think this for jeb is what happened to romney with the 47%.
which did have a huge impact on romney's loss. >> dickerson: donald trump we'll have to leave it there. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you very much. great honor. >> dickerson: we sat down with republican presidential candidate carly fiorina asked her if she thought donald trump should apologize. >> you know, presidential campaigns are designed to reveal character under pressure and over time. it's why people like you ask tough questions. it's up to candidates to answer those questions. mr. trump got asked tough questions by a lot of people on thursday night but he chose to attack megyn kelly. so, on friday night i put out a statement, mr. trump, there is no excuse. i think that's true. >> dickerson: what do you think revealed about his care actioner? >> i think voters will have to decide that? but i think you cannot have a president who is thin skinned.
if you think the question is tough, imagine the pressure of actually being in the oval office that's why i think as crazy as this presidential campaign process is, it does in fact give voters a window. in to how people respond under pressure. >> dickerson: do you think it has to do, what affect on women voters at all? >> i think women of all kinds are really sort of horrified by this. just like i think, by the way, women of virtually all kinds are horrified by the planned parenthood videos. there are certain things that cut across political boundaries. and i think those are two examples of things that are cutting across political boundaries. >> dickerson: mr. trump in his statement said, all this political correctness, there are a lot of people who think there is too much political correctness in politics.
>> i do, too, there is way too much political correctness in politics. for example, i've been very open in saying hillary clinton lied about benghazi. i've been criticized, that's such a loaded term. it's a common sense factual term. she lied about benghazi i agree there's too much political correctness. i agree that people are tired of sanitized sound bites and bumper sticker rhetoric. that is different from hurling personal insults at all kinds of people. >> dickerson: let me ask you about something you said in your closing statement you said that the republican party needed to nominate somebody who cannot stumble before he even gets into the ring. lot of people assumed you were talking about jeb bush, were you? >> you know, i think it's very frustrating to me and other conservatives when we have people on our side who play by the democrat's phone book. for example, the democrats have
been trying to paint republicans as waging a war on women for a long time. i spent last year, for example, raising money and helping great candidates like coyry gardner push back against that war on women. and so i think when democrats say the planned parent food videos have something to do with women's health, when they have nothing to do with women's health they had to do with the harvesting of human organs from what a planned parenthood employee called a baby, we shouldn't be talking about women's health. >> dickerson: that was jeb bush you were talking about. you got rave reviews in your debate performance, why do you think you did and do you think you'll be on the main stage for the next debate? >> going into that debate, less than 40% of republicans had ever
heard my name. so, this was an opportunity for me to introduce myself and i think a lot of people honestly discovered wow, there's another woman running for president. then maybe they discovered gee, maybe she could win this job she sounds like maybe she could do this job. it was really important opportunity for me. we're seeing a lot of momentum and i very much hope that momentum will carry me to the debate stage and the reagan library. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us. we sat down earlier with democratic presidential candidate and vermont senator bernie san cars. start with the republican debate the big news, did you watch? >> i did. >> what did you think? >> not much. basically not just the answers that i heard, it's the answers that i did not hear. climate change is one of the great environmental crises
facing this planet. massive level of income and wealth and, almost everybody else is getting poorer. citizens united supreme court decision that allows billionaires to buy elections and buy candidates, huge issue. most important issue facing our people there was almost no discussion. i tell you what there was and what concerns me very, very much apparently most of the candidates up there do not remember the consequences of the war in iraq and afghanistan. and the kind of easy feeling, the kind of non-consequential talk about going to war or rejecting the president's effort to negotiate an agreement with iran, disturb me very much. i think these people do not know what the war in iraq did to our people. did to the people in iraq.
and that how many of our folks came back wounded and dead. >> dickerson: switch to serious issue which is iranian nuclear deal. president obama this week making his pitch for it he said this -- >> who have been most opposed to the deal. there may be -- >> let me just say this. clearly our goal and what the president and secretary kerry have been working on to do everything possible to see that iran does not get a nuclear weapon which would detable lies incredibly that entire region of the world. something that should not happen. i believe that we have got to go through every possible effort in order to make sure that we achieve that goal of iran not having a nuclear weapon without going to war. >> dickerson: do you support the -- >> i do. i'm not going to tell that you
this is a perfect agreement and every agreement can be better but what the president has had to do is negotiate with the p5 plus one and iran and i think that reaching an agreement, giving it a chance makes a lot more -- >> dickerson: president said this idea of hardliners chanting "death to america" in iraq making common cause with the opponents of this deal -- >> i believe that way. this is what i saw recently in republican debate. it's so easy to be critical of an agreement which is not perfect. united states has to negotiate with other countries, have to negotiate with iran. and the alternative of not reaching an agreement, you know what it is? do we really want another war? a war with iran.
will take place all over this world threatening american troops. i think we go as far as we possibly can in trying to get peace a chance. trying to see if this agreement will work and i will support it. >> dickerson: i want to ask you now turning back to politics. with hillary clinton, we have seen in the polls some people question her truth worthiness. you said repeatedly not going to get engaged in gossip not bother with that. did those people, though, who are making a link between her e-mails and trustworthiness are they mistaken? are they giving in to gossip? >> this is what i think. i think for variety of reasons, hillary clinton has been under all kinds of attack for many, many years. in fact yank of many personalities who have been tea tacked for more reasons than hillary. let me be frankie running against her. i don't know that man would be treated the same way that hillary s. all that i can say is, i have known hillary clinton
for 25 years. i admire her. i respect her. i like her. she and i have very different points of view on a number of issues. we have differences of opinion on the trans-pacific partnership. we have differences on keystone pipeline. she rode for the war in iraq i helped lead the opposition against that. she voted for the patriot act. we have to take on wall street. >> dickerson: you mentioned the billionaire class i'd like to play a clip from donald trump about money in politics that you may agree with, let's listen. >> i'm not doing what's right for a man that gave me a million dollars to run for office and i owe him. when bush gets 100 million plus and when hillary gets 50 million dollars plus, everyone of those people that put up money will control bush, i don't mean like a little bit. bush is controlled by those people. walker is controlled by those people.
hillary clinton is controlled by those people. >> dickerson: do you agree with donald trump on that? >> i think that the citizens united decision which allows billionaires, as trump mentioned to pour huge amounts of money into campaign to, allow the koch brothers, to spend more money in this election cycle than either democrats or republicans, is a disaster for american democracy. do i think that the people who make these contributions, huge contributions, do it out of the goodness of their heart or do they want something? of course they want something. now the problem is, it's he's he's for trump to say, i don't need that money, he's a billionaire. but consequences that the only people who can run for office in america don't have curry favors are billionaires themselves. i am trying another way. we have gotten well over 300,000 people made individual. you no with of what the average
contribution is, 1 bucks. we're running a campaign, can we prevail over a nill john mayer or billionaire class, time will tell. >> dickerson: thanks for much for being with us. >> thank you very much. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with look how weird things have gotten in politics. everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy.? and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path
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o'keefe of the "washington post." susan i want to begin with you. all of this donald trump business, what's the political fall out, where do things stand for him now? >> if he were conventional candidate we be toast. it would be over, we would move on talk to who the real nominees are going to be. he has defied all that conventional analysis up to now. he has exceeded expectations of everyone except himself i think that should make us humble about assuming that this is the end, this is the peak of donald trump. that said, here is the great dilemma he presents for the republican party. they need figure out to way to distance himself from donald trump. and that is something republicans have not figured how to do. >> dickerson: one foot on the gas, one on the brake. michael gerson challenge for the republican party? >> the plus side is 24 million people tuned in saw four or five candidates they could actually win an election but donald trump was not one of them in this.
on stage he didn't even show a minimal knowledge of issues while calling everyone else stupid. so when you strip away all the bluster there's more bluster underneath. i think that really disqualifies him as a candidate. but this is not typical season, he made the biggest threat of that night. the political let which is a third party that would be deeply destructive. >> by the way, he has possible leverage to future debates that pledge to -- and been talked about. downside of doing that if you do that you probably sure he does run as third party candidate. there is this internal, uncertainty of how do we keep him sort of -- not push him to a third party candidate. what's fascinating is the lack
of urgency from the campaigns themselves that i've heard since that debate. you don't hear the campaigns themselves saying got to stop this guy. the reason why, they got 24 million viewers not just for trump but their candidates, too. >> dickerson: ed o'keefe, who do you think benefited the most quickly from 24 million people getting a good look. >> three people. one of them wasn't even on stage, carly fiorina. john kasich, probably helped by the hometown crowd certainly marco rubio the senator of florida reminds of why he's in this race and could emerge as very effective party spokesman. >> dickerson: that's our first round we'll get back to all of this in a moment. we're going to take a break right now we'll have lot more from our panel so stay with us.
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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to go next to des moines, iowa, doctor dr. ben carson, another republican contender is standing by. dr. carson you came on the political scene at the national prayer breakfast which you talked about the fact that we're too politically correct in american culture these days. with respect to donald trump and his spat with megyn kelly is everybody being too politically correct? >> well, i think that may be difference between political correctness and courteous speech. there is a difference. what bothers me is when people say, you know, you can't say this word, you can't say this phrase, you can't even think that. you can't express this. and it's very difficult for people to have honest conversation if they can't express themselves. but no day do i advocate saying
mean things about people. that has nothing to do with political correctness. >> dickerson: do you think that's what donald trump did in this case? >> i haven't heard his specific comments but i've heard about them. and they certainly would not be the kinds of things that i would engage in. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your debate performance and the aftermath of that. you were the second highest googled person during the debate. and you had a real outpouring of support on social media. the first question what do you think people were looking up on google during the debate about you? >> well, about half the people didn't even know who i was i'm sure they are saying, who is this guy? he actually makes a little bit of sense. this is good. we've had like 275,000 new facebook likes and twitter has gone crazy. that's continuing to be the case, that's good. because what i'm trying to get people to understand is that we, the american people, are not
each other's enemies. the problems that face us are not democrat or republican problems they face all of us. >> dickerson: how are you going to capitalize on that social media surge? >> well, we're already capitalizing on it and have been for several months. the reason that we're able to sustain ourselves is because of the small donations, hundreds of thousands of people donating. i personally will never go after billionaires and special interest groups' money f. people want to donate it will be because they love america and what we stand for. >> dickerson: one of the things that's getting passed around a lot on social media are the remarks that you made at the debate let's listen to those remarks. >> when i take someone to the operating room i'm actually operating on the things that makes them who they are, the skin doesn't make them who they are, the hair doesn't make them who they are, it's time for us to move beyond that. >> dickerson: how do we move beyond that when so many blacks feel that they are targeted by
police specifically because of the color of their skin? >> well, i think we have to change the conversation and we have to look for real solutions. what i have said for a long time is we need to introduce police into those communities early on so that little johnny's first encounter with a policeman is somebody who is playing catch with them not somebody who is chasing them down the alley with a gun. when people know each other it makes all the difference in the world. also need to concentrate on teaching values and principles to young men because when you talk about things like black lives matter, i think absolutely they matter. but we need to be worried about the fact that most likely cause of death for a young black man in inner-city is homicide. most of those homicide are not coming at the hands of the police. let's look at all the factors that are really infringing upon
the longevity of our young people. of all races. >> dickerson: dr. ben carson, thank you so much for being with us. we'll be right back with in a moment with more from our panel. more and more, data is visual. in fact, the number of mris has increased by ten percent a year. and a radiologist might view a thousand images to find one tiny abnormality in shape, contrast or movement.
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the "washington post." jonathan martin covers politics for the "new york times." and ed o'keefe is with the "washington post." jonathan i want to pick up something that you said. you talked about maybe keeping donald trump out of the future debates. i want to read you something that lindsey graham said in response to trumps fight with megyn kelly. i think we crossed that rubicon where his behavior becomes about us, not just him. i hope the party leadership will push hard. we've crossed a line here that can't be ignored there's no more tiptoeing around this. who is the party leadership who is going to do this? >> that's the problem. that the captain control what these networks do in terms who have is or is not in cited if you think that the networks after amount of viewers that watched that debate are going to keep trump out, you don't understand how tv works. the fact is he is going to keep showing up at these things as long as he wants to do so. so, the party is handcuffed to
him. and the long term difficulty is that at some point you can see where he says, i said if you guys don't treat me with respect, you haven't, there in lies the challenge, then he does that for a few more months it's a long term challenge for g.o.p. >> dickerson: let's assess the other candidates. michael you said the 24 million got to see some other people on stage who else looked good to you. >> rubio and christie are low in the polls but they got first tier skills you could tell. and candidate quality matters over time. i think you have to give christie some props for seriousness in the debate he raised entitlement reform. he's actually put out policies on this. that could swamp everything people want to do in the future. i think he had serious invention there, bush had b plus night maybe. he answered all the right answers on the tough questions
that related to him. had a good answer on immigration. but he really only showed a flail of passion on school choice. and was fraught in some of the other parts of the evening. >> i think bush has the big loser, he didn't make a mistake but peggy noonan is friend of "face the nation" described him as looking like bee speck tackled man who looked like he was thinking about dinner. he particularly trying to be prevail in tommer of trump he failed to do that. i think you're going to see other candidates who did show a little energy doing better in the next weeks. >> and concede that. guys like rubio, case i can might see in crease but they're comfortable where they are. they would say look this was the floor that they're going to be several more of these debates.
they were the sort of sober marks tour guy standing next to donald trump as 24 million people watched to enough remind the republicans, goshf i don't like that can tack russ guy we have he is not flashy guy, pizazz is not thinks thing but their goal was, don't make any mistakes. do this for the first time in 1 years because haven't been on debate stage since 2002. >> not good enough i don't think in the field like this. the original front runner, you look at kasich, he looked like -- another two-term governor from a key state, same age. lots of credentials. now kasich has his own problems of credential flaws as candidate but looking for an adult in the room that -- >> if you're a republican, though, sort of good night and bad night. it's a good night, my goodness we have some presidents on that stage. this is not the 2012 campaign all over again. the more sort of nerve-racking
side is, number one, what would you do about trump, oh, my, gosh, this is a live wire. live ammo over here. the other issue is, this race is really uncertain. that can be exciting and it can be energizing but sat the same time be nerve-racking because you just don't know what is going to happen to susan's point, jeb bush didn't look like a front runner up there. that debate, proved just how uncertain this race s. even trump aside it's most fluid campaign on republican side i can recall in decades. >> dickerson: also being some of used the word fade talking about jeb bush, don't have to have history i don't know in this cases but you have to have blood pressure. michael gerson, ask you about carly fiorina got rave reviews for being crisp and sharp, but she was on the second stage. what has to happen for her to vault? >> she got a social media slingshot. it's real.
that was the purpose of that, one person emerged and i think got some attention. i think she will be op the stage the next time. i think she plays an important role. she's really attacking clinton in this. has tough attacks i think republicans are going to like. she can do it. >> dickerson: but uniquely perched for the stumble he made on women's health funding to hit trump for going after megyn kelly. nobody else on stage can do that. they would want her on the stage. may have him but we also have her. >> dickerson: she wouldn't own up to the bush name there when she made the attack again on our show. i want to switch to you, susan, to the democratic side. bernie sanders had a huge rally in washington, in seattle. he was interrupted by black lives matter protesters. why are they going after just bernie sanders? >> bernie sanders had a misstep by talking about black lives
matter but all lives matter for the proponents of the black lives matter movement that reflects a misunderstanding of exactly what kind of point they're trying to make. on the other hand bernie sanders is a protest candidate, right? attracting protesters is something shows that there's some energy and conflict in the kelp:can side. >> dickerson: might have been bernie sanders doing that 40 years ago. >> he comes out class based traditional social democratic wing of the party. the party is now much more shaped by depender and racial politics and i think bernie sanders has ha hard time accommodating that. he finally is now but you can tell it's not really who he is. when he spoke to hispanic group last week in washington made a comment he said, before i talk about your issues -- so i will really comes out of this class solidarity, liberal politics
trying to put on the democratic party hat of 2015 it's a sight to see. >> it is telling that on west coast swing, huge rally last night in seattle, another big one in portland, los angeles tomorrow. in seattle, bad on stage, notable only his fourth campaign fundraiser of the year. the minimum was only $200 which should tell you something compared to everyone else. he may be populous, he says he doesn't raise a lot of big money telling others lazing 2700 he's only asking 200. >> dickerson: chuck schumer, democrat, number three in leadership in the senate came out against president obama's deal with iran nuclear deal, how big a deal is that? >> president obama's plan to go into the recess, congressional recess with momentum. he did with that senator cane, bunch of people announced their plan. this interrupted that.
and i think the importance -- anger at the administration, he responded angrily talking about his future in democratic politics was pretty severe. the problem is here is that schumer did not just make a statement, he actually made an argument. he made a 1500 word argue. that when you compare after the president's american university speech, it's pretty compelling. not to marinate the debate encongress but the american public opposes the deal in some of the polling by two to one. members are not going to hear reinforcement in the districts in many ways. so, i think this opened up the debate again. >> i think miscalculation on the part of the white house it seems to me not surprise chuck seweller is going to oppose this, it would be surprise if chuck summer would have endorsed this. >> dickerson: explain that. >> he's one of the biggest advocates for israel that there is.
>> dickerson: israel is -- very much opposed to this, reflects threat to them. amazing if chuck schumer had not come out against this deal. he acknowledged you could be for the deal still have fair point of view, that there were arguments on both sides. and he's also not trying to get his colleagues, democratic colleagues to go with him that is favorite. >> key point, while these liberal groups say he isn't worthy, the white house will raise concerns if he sits on his hands he's fine. only people that get to vote are democratic senators for the next leader right now he's got them all in the bag he'll be fine. >> white house is overstating the possibility that schumer not go can to be the next leader because of this. frankly the opponents of the deal are overstating chuck schumer's impact on the rest of the caucus. >> he doesn't need their money. he's from new york. >> the rhetoric on everyone, no the just the democrats in congress but accusing
republicans of being for war, accusing them of being common cause, that is tremendous over reach in his rhetoric. it's hard to explain. i think will get the votes to sustain this deal. and he's had a hard time resisting very divisive, polarizing language on this -- >> imagine if during the bush administration president bush had said those people who are against our actions, are in common cause with the terrorists >> democrats would suggest that's the kind of thing he did do. lot of people say ed taking a page from the george w. bush play book whether you like it or not. republicans to some extent justifiably stood up said that's not the right answer. bernie sanders made the same argument. only other alternative to potential war with iran. if that is the argument they continue to make over the six weeks that congress is not in town, that argument might build
favor. >> michael's point, the pointed language does not match where he is in the process. you would think given that speech that he was really back against the wall, seems pretty likely that he's going to ab able to find the votes to over right or to block veto. >> dickerson: we'll see. susan i'll pivot here as move to the end. hillary clinton jumped on some remarks by jeb bush that carly fiorina mentioned. he was supposed to be talking about planned parent hood he didn't think we need to spend money on women's health issues, what was she up to there? >> this is cat nip for democrats and for hillary clinton the kind of off-hand comment that jeb bush made feeds into the idea that republicans do not in fact have republican recommend's interest, do not have women's interests at heart they can't be trusted to protect the interests of women and since there's a greater chance that jeb bush is going to be the nominee than
donald trump it does -- even more pleased to have jeb bush doing this kind of misstep which he tried to backtrack on than some of the outrageous comments from -- >> she has problems. she has unfolding e-mail scandal. hard to be transparent about something like this when you have a server in your basement that you're not surrenderinga long term problem for her. she's running campaign that seems to be hemorrhaging money and losing support. democrats are looking at this. she needs diversion here and she does have some vulnerability on the populous left which i think bernie sanders is showing. i don't think he can exploit it all the way. but i think he's showing there's some room there on the left. >> bottom line this is crass politics. you talk to democrats privately that are most petrified of the jeb bush or marco rubio being nominee because they can eat into hispanic. >> the more they all it out now remind voters in a year there's a nominee. >> dickerson: all right.
>> dickerson: one year ago michael brown was shot and killed in ferguson, missouri. sparked rise last summer and debate over race and policing. cornell william brooks, is the president of the naacp. welcome, mr. brooks. >> good morning. dickerson: what's changed since ferguson? >> in the year since michael brown tragically lost his life there's been a seismic shift in american attitude, but only a glacial shift in legislative action. we have seen 60% of americans assert that they believe that it's important for there to be fundamental change with respect to equal rights in this country. but in terms of legislative action, have taken up some measure of holding police departments accountable. but only tiny traction of which
have actually moved toward holding police departments accountable. congress. congress has taken some action to count the number of tragic police involved deaths in terms of michael brown, sandy bland but beyond counting the number of death to preventing those did not take any action. >> dickerson: when you talk about holding police accountable, we're talking about body cameras, what else? >> body cameras. independent prosecutors. retraining our police departments to ensure that they use most effective techniques. the point being here is, we know that where communities are the subject of police protection as opposed to objects of suspicion, police officers are sacred as are communities. but we've not seep action which is why the naacp and others have engaged in this march from selma, alabama to, washington,
d.c. that we call america's journey for justice in which we plan on winning thousands of people into the nation's capital, to call on congress to do couple of specific things. pass the racial profiling act. pass the law enforcement trust and integrity act. in other words, we have to call on police departments to not engage in racial profiling. two, we have to call on them to retrain their officers and use evidence-based strategies for policing. these things that we're calling on congress to do are contested and work. but we've got to have action. >> dickerson: what's your sense, you've given us a sense of change in police side of this equation. what has changed in the last year in terms of communities, what evolution has taken place there? >> what we've seen is a generation of young practitioners of democracy. young people are taking the power of this democracy in their hands taking to the streets.
we see older amy doing the same. multi-generation army of activists. think about it this way, tamir rice was 1, michael brown was 18, eric garner was older. the point being here is that we have multi-generation victims we need multi-generation advocates. >> dickerson: along those lines. advocates, we've been talking about black lives matter and the protests at speeches, what is your feeling about that tactic? >> the point here is not how polite our activists are, how responsive our politicians are. when you have 18-year-old who is frustrated, who wants to see politicians step up and bring this tragedy to an end, you can call on them to be more polite or you can actually get something done. we're calling on congress to get something done. and. >> dickerson: debate seems to be whether it's racial issue or economic issue, bernie sanders
says it's both, what's the answer? >> it is in fact both. here is the reality. when african american men 21 times more likely to lose their lives at the hands of the police, then their white counter parts there is element of race here. as we saw in baltimore, when neighborhoods go up in flames, young people lose their lives and surrounded by poverty and by economic desperation it's a class issue as well as a race issue. but more importantly, fundamentally it is an american issue because we don't have to have this conversation a year from now if we take action now. and i like to note. this in the week in which we celebrate 50th anniversary of the voting rights act, we have a badly broken voting rights act. so, we're doing at the naacp on behalf of the nation is issuing justice challenge. anybody running for president if you want the people's vote protect the right to vote and call on congress to protect the
right to vote by fixing the voting rights act. that's our challenge. we issue on behalf of the country. >> dickerson: i have to end it there. cornell william brooks thanks for being with us. we'll be back in a moment. you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new, you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.
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